Know Ya Flow
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Know Ya Flow
Embracing Spiritual Growth and Overcoming Fear with Energy Medicine Practitioner April Adams
April's transformative journey from real estate CEO to Reiki practitioner will leave you inspired and amazed. Discover how this remarkable woman followed a persistent inner calling, defying her upbringing and the skepticism around her, to embrace energy work and find her true purpose. Her story is one of resilience, spiritual growth, and an unwavering dedication to the path of healing.
Throughout our conversation, we explore the profound connections between emotional, physical, and spiritual health. April reveals the power of muscle testing, the delicate balance between inner wisdom and the ego, and the importance of setting intentions for mental clarity. We also delve into the roots of fear, the necessity of boundaries, and how intuition can guide us toward personal growth and joy. April’s insights into these interconnected realms offer valuable lessons for anyone seeking to enhance their well-being.
Lastly, we uncover practical techniques to strengthen intuition, like sitting in silence and observing bodily sensations, while touching on the impact of societal conditioning. April shares her wisdom on maintaining personal energy, especially in intimate relationships, and the profound influence her Reiki practice has had on many lives. Join us as we express our gratitude for April’s contributions to the community and learn how her journey can inspire your own path to happiness and fulfillment. For more insights or to seek April's services, visit healing-with-april.com.
Welcome to Know your Flow podcast, where women in flow share what they know. I'm your host, lauren Barton. Join me as we talk to women and hear their stories on what they know, how they've grown and living in flow. So today we're here with April. Hi, april, thanks for being here. I don't know, yeah, if you know this, but you're a bit of a celebrity on Know your Flow podcast, which I'm sure you hate.
Speaker 2:Why am I a celebrity?
Speaker 1:Well, a lot of conversations start with well, you know, when I saw April or yeah, well, you know, what April says is like there have been, because half the people that I know see you, and so when we have conversations it's like, well, well, you know, when I was talking to April and we were talking about this, that happened with me. You come up a lot. So I know a lot of our listeners are gonna be like, yay, it's April, so thank you. So tell us a little bit about what you do, why you do it, that sort of thing, and how maybe how you got into it so I do a variety of forms of energy work.
Speaker 2:2001. A word popped in my head Reiki and I didn't know what it was. The word wouldn't leave. Yeah, so the word popped in my head and I didn't know what it was, so I ignored it at first, but it wouldn't leave. Like I could see the word in my head, I could hear it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so eventually I decided to Google it. And found out it was a real thing and it still didn't leave. So, and found out it was a real thing and it still didn't leave, so I decided I should learn it. Yeah, that's cool. So I found a teacher and at the time I lived in Leesburg but the teacher was out here in Winchester and I drove out and I was her only student. Nobody knew what it was back then. How did you find her?
Speaker 1:Like you just Googled, like Reiki person near me, reiki teacher, I think, yeah, okay, yeah, I think there were three that popped up, but the others were like Alexandria.
Speaker 2:It was Kelly Peacock, okay, and she taught me didn't understand what she was teaching me Cause.
Speaker 1:had you had anybody ever done it on you? No, Before this. No.
Speaker 2:I had never like a.
Speaker 1:Google search was all I knew about it, wow.
Speaker 2:Like she's trying to teach me and it's a completely foreign concept. I had never even explored any, any idea of energy.
Speaker 1:Were you involved in any sort of religion or anything like that? I grew up Mormon, oh, wow, yeah, okay, and they were. Your parents were like really into it and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yes and no. My mom grew up Mormon and my dad had been Mormon since college and yeah, they go to church every Sunday and all of that, but they're not as strict as a lot of Mormons. Something I realized when I got older was that a lot of Mormons like to add more rules. They're not like actual rules from the church. They decided that this rule meant more than it.
Speaker 1:So my parents didn't do that. Had you sort of pieced out of that sort of way of thinking or like how did that feel for you, like growing up that way, and did you have like spirituality and stuff in your world before all of this? I?
Speaker 2:mean, I've always been a spiritual person. I've always felt very connected and in a very like, non-intentional way. Mormons do teach you to connect with God yourself and find your own answers, and so that's what I always did.
Speaker 2:But being Mormons or Christian, so growing up that way there's a very God is up there, kind of a thing, and I never had any knowledge that there's so much more here and I had an innate sense with nature and that kind of thing and I had ancestry that explored in different ways the energies, but it was. It was completely foreign to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that whole aspect of it. But did you feel like you were naturally kind of intuitive and stuff, but you didn't have the language to it or, and I still don't have the language.
Speaker 2:The more I talk with people, the more language I.
Speaker 1:So you went there and she's trying to teach you this whole Reiki shindig First impression of it was like it was woo woo.
Speaker 2:This is weird. There are symbols, you know. It seemed like something that you're told to stay away from and I felt it and so, even though, like my mind was like this is weird shit, witchery or whatever- yeah.
Speaker 2:I felt I guess you could say God in me what I identified as when I connected with spirit, and so I didn't turn away from it and I practiced. When you learn Reiki you have to practice a certain amount before it really is flowing. And I practiced, but it was on friends and family and no one knew what it was. I went to massage school as a means to let me practice Reiki.
Speaker 1:So did you have to actually learn the massage part too?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was really good, but I got arthritis, yeah and I only did that on friends and family too. At the time I was making great money. Because what were you doing before this? Yeah, back then I was a CEO of a real estate company oh wow, no way, yeah.
Speaker 1:So then you were like, okay, because all of this was just because you felt, uh like pull to it and like a call to it.
Speaker 2:It was that word. It was a curiosity. Why is this word in my head? Where did it?
Speaker 1:come from. So then you went to massage school while you were still a CEO of like a company.
Speaker 2:I went to massage school part time and I just did that on friends and family too and then I left the real estate world and I was unemployed for about six months because I didn't know what I wanted to do. I didn't want to do massage full time, yeah.
Speaker 1:Was that other job? Was it really stressful for you or not?
Speaker 2:really Not for most of it. Yeah, I had a great team and I ran a fun business. That's cool, yeah, but at the end it was you know, things go bad at the end of anything. It was time to go and I was volunteering by then at the Valley Health Wellness Center had a program that someone put together where like about 30 Reiki practitioners got together once a month and offered free Reiki to cancer patients. And I was part of that and I was there one night volunteering.
Speaker 2:I was talking about I don't know what I want to do now, and one of the ladies there said well, what about working at the hospital? And I felt that same thing inside of me, that kind of pulled me to Reiki, just this knowing right at my heart. So I applied and I got a job as a secretary. So I was the secretary of women and children's services and my second week, I think, on the job my boss got a headache and she asked me to turn off her lights and close her door and I started to and then I just really sheepishly like I do this thing.
Speaker 2:It might be able to help. Do you want me to try? And she said, sure, yeah. So I gave her just five minutes of Reiki while she was sitting in her chair, and she turned her chair around and looked up at me and said whatever that is, we need it in the hospital? No way. And those were magic words for me Because she sent me on a journey and let me dedicate all of my time to creating the integrative care program at the hospital. Wow, 24 volunteers total Some Reiki, some music therapy, art therapy, meditation, aromatherapy, all the things. And we worked with staff and inpatients and outpatients and surgical patients and I did classes for the doctors and nurses and it was just such a wonderful thing to bring into the community and I did that for nine years.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:And after probably three or four years of it they sent me to training for the rest of the energy work that I do.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:It was a two-year intensive course. It was like 20 years of therapy in two years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because what all did you learn?
Speaker 2:It's a lot right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you get to choose it, or did they choose it for you? It's to them. It's something that I wanted to learn and what attracted you to it.
Speaker 2:A couple of the Reiki practitioners that volunteered for me had done it, and the teacher, just an amazing person, who is from Georgia, and he was coming up here to teach a class, and so, in preparation for that, he asked if he could do intro classes at the hospital, and of course I sat in on them and it was unlike anything I'd ever experienced before.
Speaker 1:Wow, that is so cool. So in those 10 years, how was everything received Well in the beginning open arms.
Speaker 2:The leadership, the staff, the patients everybody was just absolutely enthralled with everything we had to offer. Everybody got it. Really yeah, they understood the value, the purpose, all of it, and it was just a huge part of the hospital for a few years. And then leadership started to change and they built the cancer center and it could have been a great idea to move the program over to the cancer center. It could have been a great idea to move the program over to the cancer center.
Speaker 2:The woman who was in charge of building the cancer center wanted it to be integrative, but she left before it was finished, so moved me over there and then got rid of all of the space and all of the resources for it. So there was only so much I could do. And that kind of changed the program. Leadership kept changing as well. So it was great.
Speaker 1:Great for about five or six years and then kind of like people came in that didn't get it anymore and didn't see the value, kind of a thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, first it was people coming in who, like they, had different ideas of what it should be. They were very focused on it being for cancer care which is great, and there was so much more we were doing already. We could have done it all, but they wanted the resources of it to be directed focused in one place, and in doing that they kind of crushed the soul of it, because this work has to be free.
Speaker 1:So then you were like this isn't for me anymore, I'm going to roll out, kind of a thing.
Speaker 2:Well, I did hold on tight. Yeah, I bet, trying to figure out how to bring it back and then around the time of COVID it was during COVID I couldn't work on people anymore and all of my volunteers couldn't come in anymore and I asked to be furloughed. And when they brought me back they moved me over to Wellspring, which is a great cancer resource center offsite from Valley Health. But it put me in such a box because it's a store and I was in a closet.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, so it. There was no way to really offer what I had to offer and I decided that it would. I could help more people on my own, locked up in a closet in the back of a building.
Speaker 1:Was it scary to go on your own? Do you like having a business? I love having a business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and some things were scary, some things weren't. And some things were scary, some things weren't. The scary part was just, I was on my own. You know the idea of relying on myself yeah you know that's scary for anyone. That was a fear that I could readily leap over, so I just held on long enough for my son to go to into the air force, so I didn't have to have him on my insurance cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so it all worked out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it all worked out and I knew it was time to leave a year before I did leave, but I wanted to wait for that to happen. So I had a conversation with my guides because I could feel them pushing me and I needed them to stop Because you're like, listen, yeah, and stay until then, yeah, so I had that conversation with my guides and I set a date. When it comes to this date, if I'm not gone, you can push me. And they backed off and let me stay. And so that date came around and I had a minute of thinking, well, maybe I can make it work again. Yeah, and they pushed hard so that feels good that feels reassuring to like, hey, no, for real.
Speaker 1:Okay, I will be supported if I do this, but I won't be if I do this and stay.
Speaker 2:I let myself stay one more week. I had that conversation with them again. I'm leaving on this day and. I, you know, I put my notice in and everything, and day after I left I left on a Wednesday there. Thursday, my schedule was full.
Speaker 1:No way, yeah, oh my gosh. Like on your own business, doing your own thing. It was awful, yeah, how did you get most of your people?
Speaker 2:I get a lot of referrals from a doctor in town.
Speaker 1:For a lot of like, the more physical.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So Tracy Johnston, she's a integrative physician and she was in the class with me, so she knows what I can do and she sends a lot of people over for muscle testing. So if she is trying to figure out, like if there's a medication and would this one be better, this one be better or this one be better, and in her eyes all three are equal, so she sends them to me to muscle test which one would be better for their system. How do you do a muscle test? It's also called kinesiology. Have you heard of that? Oh, yeah, okay, so that's what that is. Yeah, so usually you do muscle testing on the person. Like chiropractors will use it where you stick out your arm and they push down on it. Since I connect with your energy in a session, I kind of become the vessel for it, so I test on myself for you.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's really cool. How long does that take?
Speaker 2:The muscle test.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like all of that Not long 30 minutes, 15?.
Speaker 2:If they're just coming for muscle testing, I can do a half hour session.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, 30 minutes 15.
Speaker 2:If they're just coming for muscle testing, I can do a half hour session. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. The part that takes the longest is getting connected.
Speaker 1:But do you feel like a lot of people just are like meant to come see you type of a thing at the right time and they hear it? The same type of thing where they hear the word or they hear, oh, have you thought about doing Reiki? And then they land with you a lot of times, or do you think it's more the other one, I mean?
Speaker 2:I hope everyone that comes to see me is meant to come see me. I don't want people who aren't True.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, exactly, but I think it's a thing of like you could market it all day long, but it doesn't matter, because whoever's supposed to come will come. Like that kind of a thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't generally market t-shirts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, heck, yeah, I got that merch, that's just fun. Yeah, exactly yeah, because that's what I was thinking Like. I feel like you don't really have to market. People find their way to you.
Speaker 2:Well, that's how life works, isn't it? Yeah, you kind of get guided by an invisible force. Whatever it is you believe in right, and go where you need to go to get what you need to get.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but do you feel like it's hard for people to live like that? I was just talking about this.
Speaker 2:today. We all kind of have those two voices right the loud one and the quiet one, and it's a practice to start listening to the quiet one. That's the one to listen to. The loud one is your ego voice, your mind, that's trying to protect you and keep you safe in the place that you're used to being the known. And the quiet one is the one leading you towards the unknown, where you can grow.
Speaker 1:How can people listen to the quiet one more? By pausing, yeah, which is really hard. You know, in our busy world that we all live in, that isn't regulated for us and isn't for us, you know.
Speaker 2:Silence is really important, really underrated, for sure, and would be very helpful, for sure.
Speaker 1:What do most people come to you for?
Speaker 2:It's all over the gambit. Yeah, I guess the people who come most regularly are usually coming for anxiety or spiritual growth. There's a few that are cancer patients or like chronic health issues, but the people that come to me tend to have well. If they don't in the beginning, they end up having an understanding that your physical health, your mental health and your emotional health are all part of the same thing. You might be coming for one thing, but it's not about that. It's about another.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and how it all comes together, cause, how does your physical health influence? Your emotional health or your emotional body? Yeah, or your emotional effect?
Speaker 2:your physical, sorry, yeah, well they're all part of one in the same. Yeah, so it's not that one affects the other. They all kind of happen in conjunction. Part of your energetic anatomy is that you have layers outside of your body and those layers are emotional, mental, spiritual, and so if something happens in your emotions, let's say, shows up in your emotional layer and your energy has to reroute around it, Kind of like if there was a thorn in there.
Speaker 2:your energy flow has to route around it and it causes like I'm really simplifying- this yeah, no, it's, you're doing really good.
Speaker 1:You're doing really good yeah.
Speaker 2:It causes this little bump and as time goes by, if that bump stays there, it'll affect the layers more inward, towards the physical, and the layers more outward, towards the emotional. So all of you starts to match that little bump and when it hits the physical, that's a physical problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes physical things are from like environmental factors and genetic factors and not just emotion. Or do you think that physical ailments are all from some sort of emotion at some point?
Speaker 2:They are from environmental and genetic factors. And and Well, okay, let's say you're walking around the house and you hit your knee on the coffee table. There was an environmental factor, the coffee table was in the way, and why did you hit your right knee at that moment? Your knee has to do with a peer, right has to do with a male. Are you having issues with a male peer?
Speaker 1:yeah, and most of the time it's like, yeah, it is really interesting. Do you think a lot of people know that or recognize that?
Speaker 2:I don't know, do you think so?
Speaker 1:I think that Western medicine might not put those, all those things together, and maybe that's why you're important, to help remind people that it is all connected, you know, and isn't just like disjointed and for no reason, and that everything happens like for a reason, type of thing.
Speaker 2:It really demands for your mind to expand a little bit to be able to understand all of that, because it is such an interwoven thing. Because on the surface level, no, I'm not having problems with a male peer I bumped my knee but if you dig further, it body was trying to give you a message. Your energy was trying to give you a message. Yeah, your unconscious was trying to give you a message.
Speaker 1:How do you feel like you're able to be in such like spiritual realms all day throughout your job but then also be just cool with maybe doing more physical 3D things if you will? Is that hard for you to go in and out, or are you able to sort of mesh everything together?
Speaker 2:I'd like to say I mesh everything together and the longer I do this, the easier it is to go in and out. But it is a different space when you're in sessions. Kind of put all of yourself I don't know if that's the right way to say it put yourself aside, but do in a way.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:You open up and could I do that all the time? Yeah, it's a beautiful place to be. It's peaceful it's boring. I don't want to be that way all the time.
Speaker 1:I want the excitement, the drama, the stress alive yeah it's part of the human experience yeah, what do you think keeps people stuck? Fear, fear always. What do you feel like they're normally afraid of?
Speaker 2:The unknown yeah.
Speaker 1:The loud voice is taking over. Yeah, why do you think that people have a hard time with boundaries?
Speaker 2:Because we were all taught, when we were little, to make people happy. Right, that's how you survive as a child by making the adults happy.
Speaker 2:It's how you get what you want. It's how you survive as a child. By making the adults happy. It's how you get what you want. It's a core need to be liked when you're little, because you depend on people for your life, literally, and no matter what happened in your childhood, you developed coping skills, developed coping skills. Even if you had like a perfect childhood, you still developed coping skills based on how you perceived things as a child. And coping skills are wonderful. It helps you in life until you don't need them anymore. And then letting go of those coping skills when they no longer serve you is hard, because that loud voice wants to keep you safe. Yeah and yeah, safe.
Speaker 1:Where do you feel like the change? How do you know when somebody is ready to change or to grow, or how are you able to help people with their growth?
Speaker 2:I just listen and I help them listen to themselves. Yeah, which is huge. I'm not the wise one, no Right, I'm not the guru. Everybody knows what they need. They just haven't been listening to their quiet voice.
Speaker 1:And is it kind of as simple as that really? Do you feel like we overcomplicate a lot of things and that it is kind of more simple, or do you think it's the duality of everything?
Speaker 2:I do believe in duality and yeah and right, and at the same time, I think it is really simple in the way that everything holding us back is our fear. If we just flowed with what was happening and just here, then go here, then go here it would be so much simpler for all of us just here, then go here, then go here it would be so much simpler for all of us, right?
Speaker 1:Instead, we bargain Because a lot of people want control. Like you think, control is a big thing that gets in our way of flowing and all of that. Yeah, that's that loud voice. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Control your surroundings and keep yourself safe, but it's not really safe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Because the opposite. Yeah, if it's not really safe, then what is it?
Speaker 2:familiar yeah.
Speaker 1:So do you think the more you practice okay, something scary, I'm going to do it anyway Like that is that kind of the thing that you're saying, like the more that you practice, like stepping into the unknown sort of the more you'll expand and the more joy you'll be able to feel?
Speaker 2:you think, the more you practice it, the easier it gets.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because you can see for yourself over and over again the results of stepping past your fear. It's not that you won't have fear. You still feel it, feel it and go. Yeah, exactly. Like me coming here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Like see. So how did you start to get more in touch with your guides, intuition, all that type of stuff? Is it through your trainings and things like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, my trainings are what brought me into a conscious relationship with them. I've always had a relationship with them. I just didn't know what or who they were and I guess as a kid they were my imaginary friends, never once thought that they were real, you know, yeah, right, but yeah, my trainings helped me connect with them in a way that was conscious and build that relationship.
Speaker 1:Do you think that everybody can do that? Oh, yeah, yeah. And how do you think that people can get more in touch with their intuition? Because I feel, like we were saying earlier, you're like I am not the wisdom here. Like you, you know, everyone is on their own journey and they have their own wisdom, but I feel like so many people don't believe that or they can't like again the loud voice so they can't hear the small one, and so we've already mentioned getting quiet, pausing, things like that. Is that sort of your biggest thing of like how you could get more in touch with your intuition?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for me it helped a lot to also understand that it's not something that I need to bring awareness to. It's somewhere. So sitting in silence and looking at your thoughts is a very popular meditation practice. At your thoughts is a very popular meditation practice.
Speaker 2:sitting in silence and observing body in a way where, well, I mean, most of my clients have done this with me in sessions where you notice what's tight in your body and bring your awareness to it and sit with it, go to the center of that tightness, really observe it what color is it, what shape is it, what texture is it and sit with it, go to the center of that tightness, really observe it what color is it, what shape is it, what texture is it and really give it the attention that it wants.
Speaker 1:That's all it wants yeah, because nothing's random and I feel like I know sometimes I swear, I'm just like am I making this up like this? Just my brain? I think sometimes it's hard. Am I just saying this because I want to say this, or is this actually what's happening? Well, and that's a practice too, the more confirmation you get, the more you realize.
Speaker 2:well, like when you're meeting your guides, if you're meditating and connecting with your guides and, let's say, a deer pops in and you're like well, did I just make that up, or is one of my guides a deer? Yeah, do you have a reason for making up a deer?
Speaker 1:Why would a deer pop up? Were you thinking about a deer? This?
Speaker 2:morning. Did you see one on the way Right? If so, then maybe your mind's making that up, yeah, but if it came out of nowhere and you feel it and you see it, then why wouldn't that be real, why would you make that up?
Speaker 1:Exactly. Do you think, as kids, we're told that we're making stuff up and that's why I was Were you, yeah, what, making stuff up? Yeah, that's true, yeah, and so then I guess, yeah, you're right, as kids, we but stuff, I guess sometimes maybe I wasn't, though I don't know Cause like what, if you were telling your parents like, oh you know, I, I, my imaginary friend, da da da, da da da, and maybe it really was a guide, but you're like saying that it wasn't, they're like, well, that's not real. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:yeah, we're we're taught to see the world the way our parents see it yeah the adults see it and we stop seeing it the way we see it yeah, it's so true, and I think people like black and white too.
Speaker 1:Would you agree with that? Like, do you think that people like black and white too? Would you agree with that? Like, do you think that people like to have, like because of this, I have this. Or like I'm seeing this because of this, like order instead of like the randomness of of all of it. That's not so random, but yet you know, I mean it makes things simple, doesn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you feel like Reiki has done for you in your life and in your journey, whether it's that or just spiritual practices in general, or how has your life changed from what you do and the way that you see people and all of the things?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's hard to explain because I think before everything was very surface. Explain because I think before everything was very surface and well, and I'm I'm grateful that I did have time without knowing what I know now because I can understand other people that way but, yeah, things were very surface and I went along with the norm and what other people were doing and were you happy then, or did you feel like something was off?
Speaker 2:I'd say I was happy. I've always been a happy person. There are layers to happy and with each layer that's gotten uncovered it's deeper, more meaningful, connected kind of happiness. You know there's six energies that everything boils down to. At the core of all of it, there are six energies that are trying to get themselves expressed through us and the rest of it is just layers of stuff that we've piled on top that don't allow us to feel those six things. So as we peel off those layers, those six things get to be expressed more deeply in this world through us, and that feels amazing. What are the six things? Peace, love, joy, beauty, freedom and happiness.
Speaker 1:So all the other junk is just stuff that's piled on top. It's, yeah, stopping all that from being able to be exposed. What do you think has been the hardest part of your journey? Messing up Like that you have messed up, or fear of messing up that?
Speaker 2:I have Fear of messing up, isn't like I just do it anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. But when I actually do mess up that's hard for me for a few different reasons. One, because I don't believe we ever mess up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think if it happened, it was what was supposed to happen, but it doesn't feel good, and also because when I mess up, I do really pretty intensely see the impact it has on others around me, and so, even if it's supposed to be that way, I still, I see the pain?
Speaker 1:Do you mean more like relationally as opposed to like in a session, like in your career? Or do you mean I?
Speaker 2:think I've messed up like that in my career.
Speaker 1:No just like in your own journey with others and relationally and yourself, and yeah, and how that trickles out. Yeah, but it's inevitable For sure.
Speaker 2:Because we're all human.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, it's still hard. Do you feel like there? Do you feel like you have always been a pretty patient person? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Cause I feel like you have a lot of, yeah, patience. My patience and kindness and understanding, connection with others have always been there. Yeah, those are. That's how I was born, yeah, with all of those things.
Speaker 1:Wow, so it makes sense. Yeah, what ended up happening? Do you get drained by your work? Do you get like whew, this is too much. Like I wonder what, yeah, what it's like to decompress from cause you hear everyone's. I feel like deepest shit all day. I do. You know which is a lot or can be, but it can also be rewarding.
Speaker 2:I'm sure too, in some ways it used to be hard for me in the beginning. I think I just didn't know how to manage it. I don't take it with me anymore. That's something that to be fully present with another soul like requires you to learn how to be fully present with yourself as well, and when you're fully present, you're in the moment. Everything that happened in a session that I was fully present for is left at the end of the session. That moment has passed Present with the next moment.
Speaker 1:Do you feel the same way when you have like a friend talking to you about their struggles and stuff? Are you able to apply that into all aspects?
Speaker 2:I think so, except with my husband.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because he's always there. It's harder when someone's that close to you to be able to separate. So with that relationship, when I'm at work I'm fully present and when I'm home I'm with him, yeah yeah, yeah, so his stuff gets intermingled with mine at home, right, but with everyone else, yeah, I think I'm really good at being present in the moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is there anything that you struggle with that you feel like you're like working through?
Speaker 2:Trying to separate my energy from my husband's.
Speaker 1:I'm working on that right now. Yeah, cause, what does it look like for it to be together?
Speaker 2:That's a hard question because I'm working on it right now. I know from working with other people. You know a healthy energetic structure of a couple is where both of you have your bubbles, let's say, and they're full on their own and you come together and your bubbles touch. Where an unhealthy energetic relationship is an attachment that's like an umbilical cord between the two of you.
Speaker 2:And that drains both people. Don't think I have the attachment with him, try to be really aware of that, that and I can't find it. If it's there, yeah, and he's in pain so often that it hurts me like physical or emotional, both yeah, yeah, and so, like my mind says that attachment has to be there, but I'm not able to find it, so that's where someone else is very handy.
Speaker 1:For yourself and your own energy. Yeah, yeah, for your own support. Yeah, so I need to reach out.
Speaker 2:I have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what is that whole thing with people's energy getting like stuck to you and things like that, like people call it so many things of like soul tie? Is it all the same cord cutting cutting the cord with a person or whatever Like?
Speaker 2:how does it all work? How does it all work?
Speaker 1:Yeah, how do you guys get so attached that it's stuck together? And how do you get that energy, like, let's say that you're like attached to somebody and you're like I don't want to be anymore and we're not in theory like talking or whatever. And then how do people, what do they do, to get unattached?
Speaker 2:well, so attachment is different than connection. Okay, okay, okay, when you're connected with someone, you're just fully involved and that can be like friends yeah any relationship right you feel that heartfelt connection.
Speaker 2:That's healthy. Attachment looks more like codepend. So I need you to be this for me, or a lot of times you'll attach to people if you're worried about them or if they have something you need. So when I was in Whitewinds right about because this is how things work, right, right about the time we were learning about attachments I had someone who was attaching to me, and she was attaching because, basically, I was what she wanted to be.
Speaker 1:You were doing this training to to learn more, do more, have more knowledge, and she wanted that sort of well. No, she was in the training too. Oh, okay. So she wanted your like skill, your skills or your traits.
Speaker 2:She was in a hard place in her life, yeah, and I was in the midst of building peace in my life and she kept energetically attaching to me. So I didn't know what an attachment was yet. Yeah, we hadn't learned it quite yet and all I knew was that every day, I go into this dark cave of a place and have to go off by myself and cry in the middle of class, and I didn't know why. Yeah right, everything in my life was going great. Yeah, and I just felt this, felt like it came from somewhere else. And then we started learning about attachments. I was like, hmm, this sounds like this might be what's happening. My teacher was demonstrating on me how to remove an attachment and she removed, removed an attachment from my abdomen and as it went, I saw it go and it went back to her.
Speaker 1:She started crying. So I mean that was all supposed to happen, though, because you really saw it.
Speaker 2:Right, everything that happens is supposed to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It was a very visceral learning for me.
Speaker 1:How do you have the attitude of everything that's happening is supposed to happen, without being like apathetic or acting Well, you know, it's all for a reason, that sort of thing?
Speaker 2:It is all for a reason and it's still sad or horrible or painful. If you were to look at this world through God's eyes and see every person here from that point of view, it breaks your heart. And that's how the universe is growing. That's how we're becoming more. We're here to experience everything that life is. That's why we're in more. We're here to experience everything that life is. That's why we're in bodies.
Speaker 1:Do you think that we have multiple lives and that we reincarnate, or do you think that? What do you think happens?
Speaker 2:I can tell you what I speculate. Okay, I can't wait. I love asking people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to know your speculation. I can't wait. Since I haven't died, I don't really know. Yeah right.
Speaker 2:When I do energy work, sometimes I will see people's past lives, or there's a thing that happens.
Speaker 1:Sometimes Some of your listeners may have done this with me. You may have done this with me.
Speaker 2:Where we're sitting in the chairs and silent, both of our vision starts to change. It happens pretty spontaneously. I assume it's just because that person is ready for that. Both of our vision starts to change at the same time and light and shadows and shifting and it kind of it's like it scrolls through different faces, different lives, different times, and if you feel while you're watching that there's a lot of learning that can come and I can't explain it, but I believe in past lives because of it yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1:I mean it makes the most sense to me. I mean, if it, if it has to sense and I guess it doesn't have to make sense, but it is what kind of makes the most sense to keep coming back, trying again, doing our best, learning new lessons, living life, energy never ceases to exist right. Right yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't cease to exist on some level. Do you come back in the same conglomeration of energy as you were before? I don't know, but that energy is likely to come back and live again For sure.
Speaker 1:And then, what are the differences between angels, guides? Let's see. Are there any more Ancestors? What are, like, the biggest difference between them all? The biggest difference? Yeah, if there's a difference. Or how can you tell what is what or what's going on?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know that I can really answer that because I tell the difference by how they appear to me, and they appear to me so that my understanding can grasp it. So it would be different for other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why do you think that you are successful at doing this, like, why do you think that you are so good at doing it? Is it because you are into it? You've practiced a lot? Do you think it's what you're supposed to be doing?
Speaker 2:Well, I know that in human design my energetic makeup, how my energy operates, is made to be a healer. Mostly, I think I. Just I don't know. I follow. If something grabs my curiosity, I dive in.
Speaker 1:Where did you learn about human design?
Speaker 2:There was a master class that I took. I'm not an expert in human design.
Speaker 1:Are you into astrology and stuff too, or no? No, I know my signs, but I'm not Not super into that. But human design, you feel like is really helpful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, human design kind of clicked for me, because the way it's laid out the charts, the way the charts are laid out, some of it I can correlate with what I'm noticing in a person's energy, and so it's helpful for me to know someone's chart that makes sense and you can probably tell even just by like talking to people like. I bet you're probably. I thought I could, but no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Sometimes it's yeah, because there's so much to it. There is a lot. There's not just your type. There's lines and gates and all the things that make up All the things. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. So if somebody was curious about Reiki but wasn't sure about it, or if it's for them, what would you tell them? Or what would you tell somebody who was curious?
Speaker 2:Follow your curiosity, yeah for sure Led me.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that's for sure. Is there anything else that you feel like is some wisdom to share?
Speaker 2:I think the most helpful thing for me, and all of everything I've learned, was to value silence. There's so much in silence, it's not just quiet. The space, the space between words, space between everything. That's where all of the truth is.
Speaker 1:No, I love that and I think that we probably don't have enough silence for sure with all, with whether it's we're taking in information with our phones or we're listening to music all the time, or we're chatting a lot or whatever. Yeah, silence really isn't that bad and that's the only way you're going to hear your true self is if you have the space for it. And, yeah, if you think about how you can be easily annoyed because you haven't had silence or space for a long time or you know you get lost in thoughts that aren't real because of no silence. So I think that's that's really good and true and like very underrated. The whole silence bit.
Speaker 2:Everyone knows that it's wonderful to go out into the woods by yourself and have that space. Wonderful to go out into the woods by yourself and have that space, but there's not a real understanding that the silence there is valuable. Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1:Well, april, thank you so much. I hope that you, and I'm sure you do. I hope that you realize that you have really helped a lot of people in this community. For sure, and if anyone that I know ever has something that I'm like I don't know you ever thought about Reiki you should probably see April. I'll send you her number. Like I swear I send your number like twice a week because I just think it's really great work. I think that it really helps people, has helped a lot of people I know, and we're a better community because you exist in it. So thank you for coming and chatting. Your work is really valuable. So if people want to find you, what is your? You have a Facebook page. I have a website.
Speaker 2:A website yeah, A website is healing-with-aprilcom.
Speaker 1:Awesome, cool. Well, thank you, april, thank you.